Learn about Atheists and Agnostics: Dan Barker: Journey from Evangelical Preacher to Freedom from Religion

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By TahoeDoc

Atheism: Godlessness
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Atheism: Godlessness

Dan Barker, a former preacher, is a current co-president of the Freedom from Religion Foundation, a non-profit organization dedicated to preserving separation of church and state and reporting and fighting first amendment violations. His rise to prominence as a champion of non-theist rights, however is an unexpected and surprising one.

Barker is the author of several books and two of these ("Losing Faith in Faith" and "Godless" deal with his journey of deconversion from evangelical preacher to outspoken atheist. "Godless: How an Evangelical Preacher Became One of America's Leading Atheists", published in 2008 is his most recent book and is outlined here.

Godless: How an Evangelical Preacher Became One of America's Leading Atheists

After a foreword by Dr. Richard Dawkins and an introduction by himself discussing his first public appearance as an atheist, Dan Barker begins his story when he was "called" to the ministry at the age of 15 years. He describes himself as a "spirit-filled" evangelical when, as a teenager, he gave his first sermon in Mexico as part of a youth group. He had no doubt at the time that the excited, elated feeling that he got in church was confirmation of his relationship with god and jesus. As time went on, Barker became a preacher at churches in California. He also was quite acclaimed as a Christian songwriter and musician.


Part I: Rejecting God

Barker describes a long process that led him away from his faith, rather than one epiphany. He was a fundamentalist, taking the words of the bible literally, as the inerrant word of God.

He remembers the first time he spoke to a preacher about people who didn't take the bible as literal history. This man told Barker about members of his congregation who thought that Adam and Eve were not actual people but were a metaphor or representation of the beginning of humanity and human sin. Barker, at the time, was surprised that this was acceptable to this priest, or that he was willing to allow this "type" of people in his congregation -- those "liberal" types interpreting the bible any way they wanted. How could the bible have any actual meaning if everyone is free to interpret it any way they see fit? This was blasphemous to him. At first. He began to meet more and more people who had more open and less restrictive faith. He found them to be perfectly nice and moral people. Thus began his questioning.

He's careful to point out that he wasn't questioning God at this point, just the rigid interpretation to which he had been subjected. He felt he was "growing" or "maturing" in his faith and thought it was a good thing. Over time, though, those questions turned into doubts as he started to realize that there was a lot more to the world than the dogma he was raised with. So many people believed that they had the path to "truth", just as strongly as he and other fundamentalist Christians did. As he explains, he finally was able to separate his rational brain from his emotional brain and objectively look at what he had been believing. He had no choice but to admit that it didn't make sense. To keep believing would be to deceive himself, a lie.

Reading this book, you can actually feel how painful it must have been for him to extract himself from the only life he ever knew, his family, wife and friends.

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Part II: Why I Am an Atheist

The first section of Part II will be familiar to atheists and Christians alike. Barker first reviews the reasons that Christians assume are responsible for atheists' rejection of God. Accusing atheists of being angry, being blinded by science, feeling superior to God, being resentful of Christians - not "true" Christians mind you - who have done them wrong and various other ad hominem (attacking the character of someone and using that to dismiss their claims) arguments that we have all heard before are listed.

He points out again that despite the claims of believers, atheism just means the lack of theism, godlessness. There is nothing else in that label. Nothing. Atheists may have other traits in common -- or not -- but saying someone is an atheist just means they don't have a belief in any God. It's not even the assertion that there is no God, although many atheists may feel that it's unlikely. Atheism just means "without God" or "without religion".


Definitions of Agnostic and Atheist:

Just for clarity: Agnosticism relays the position that "I don't have knowledge that God exists". Atheism says "I don't have a belief that God exists". Note that one can be both agnostic and atheist. And by definition many people of faith are indeed, agnostic, as they can claim no true knowledge of God's existence. Faith is not knowledge, although many swear they are interchangeable.

The rest of this Part of the book goes on to discuss the various apologists' arguments, including the Kalam Cosmological argument, and Barker, having been a preacher and bible scholar is able to answer these arguments and give very good reasons why they are not valid.

Hear Dan Barker explain his own deconversion.

Part III: What's Wrong with Christianity

Once you start looking objectively without the blinders of faith, at the Bible and religion in general, some issues become glaringly obvious. That's the topic of discussion of Part 3 of "Godless".

Barker shines a spotlight on the notion that the Bible is a good guide for morality, and the book, its God and its folk heros all fail the interrogation. Upholding laws like "don't work on the sabbath" by stonings, slaughter, fear and oppression are the order of the day in God's law. And we are reminded that despite the argument that the New Testament is God's new covenant, Jesus states clearly that he had come to uphold the law.

Barker goes on to discuss the many, many biblical contradictions including those that deal with murder, stealing, the path to salvation, slavery, the birth, crucifixion and geneology of Jesus, human sacrifice and God's omnipotence. Each is presented with the scriptures in question and are quite an interesting collection.

Another section reviews the preceding and parallel Gods that have similarities to the Judeo-Christian God and to Jesus. Attis, Prometheus and Mithra are discussed.


Part IV: Life is Good!

Part 4 brings us back to Dan Barker's current life with his second wife Annie Laurie Gaylor. She was a founding member and is co-president with Barker of the Freedom from Religion Foundation. He lays out here what the Foundation does and why it is so important to enforce the principle of separation of church and state.

Final Thought by Dan Barker

"You believe in a book that has sticks turning into snakes, and you say we are the ones that need help?"


Read "Godless" to understand how someone who once preached from the bible became an outspoken critic of the same book.

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Captain Jimmy profile image

Captain Jimmy 16 months ago

Obviously this man has never been in God's presence. Our life is not our own. How Sad for him!

http://hubpages.com/hub/Be-Still-and-Know-that-I-A

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TahoeDoc Hub Author 16 months ago

Interestingly, if you read the book, that's pretty much exactly how he said he felt about non-believers while he was still preaching. Peace.

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Captain Jimmy 16 months ago

Grant it, Religion has and is blindly leading millions to hell that's why John the baptist and Jesus himself preached so hard against the religious order of the day because the didn't know him who was right in front of them!

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Austinstar Level 7 Commenter 16 months ago

Captian Jimmy, which "religion" that is right in front of us now is the right one? Do you know? How is anyone to know for sure? Or does it matter?

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getitrite 16 months ago

TahoeDoc

Good read. I appreciate reading stories about people overcoming the ridiculous indoctrination forced on us by society.

@Captain Jimmy, You have posted yet another absurd conclusion as to why someone chooses to be atheist. Being a former delusional devout Christian myself, I'm downright sick of hearing that BS.

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TahoeDoc Hub Author 16 months ago

That's why this book and people like you, Dan Barker, and my husband who were devout believers are the best critics of religion. Of course, the believers still tell themselves that if you had been "true" Christians, then you wouldn't have fallen away. The "true" Christian argument is one of the most popular for many situations. They will never understand that you all were once just as devoted, just as enthralled and just as "true" as they are. I've learned that over and over.

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Titen-Sxull Level 4 Commenter 16 months ago

Great Hub. I'm so glad that I never made it as far as Dan into the religion. By the time I was in my late teens the doubts had overwhelmed by Christian Fundamentalist upbringing. Some people go their whole lives and never escape the brainwashing. We need more people, particularly former believers, to be willing to come forward and explain their doubts and deconversion. We need more Dan Barker's.

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TahoeDoc Hub Author 16 months ago

Thanks Titen! I agree. I know of several ex-fundamentalists and even ex-clergy who just couldn't reconcile what they had been taught in church with an actual reading of the bible or a little bit of actual science. They do give the best testimony to the position of non-belief, or in their case un-belief. Thank you. I'll have more similar info coming in the next month.

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AKA Winston Level 5 Commenter 16 months ago

Wow, Tahoe Doc, another fine read.

I had a similar upbringing only I had to make the decision of preach/no preach in the midst of also deciding serve/don't serve in Vietnam. I attempted to delay the process by enrolling at Bethany Nazarene College.

It is difficult for the less corrupted to grasp how indelible is the imprint on those of us reared as fundamental evangelical Christians - a psychologist once explained to me that this type of childhood religious abuse was the equivalent in psychological damage as is childhood sexual abuse.

I can freely admit that the damage is permanent and lifelong, and you can only learn to deal with it and work around because it can never be fully repaired. Even a partial repair requires the total destruction of the existing ego and a rebuild from scratch of a new and functioning human ego that always lacks due to an absence of basic early nurturing, not altogether unlike the personality void of the psychopathic ego, though not nearly so empty.

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Jillian Barclay Level 4 Commenter 16 months ago

Dear Tahoe Doc,

Thank you for your article. I enjoyed reading it! I always try to live without judging other peoples' beliefs. Everyone has their own reasoning for believing or not believing in the existence of God. Have always believed in God, but that is my belief and I refuse to subscribe to the 'preach and convert' garbage that causes wars, hatred and division.

The only issue I have with atheism and religion(not as a whole, but the way in which it is handled)is with a recent conversation I had with my 8 year old granddaughter. She is the sweetest child I have known. Her parents are atheists and have told her (much like Christian parents)that she is, too. She has lost 3 girlfriends because of this. They were talking about the existence of God and she told them that her family does not believe in God and her girlfriends told her about hell, etc. She does not speak to them anymore because they made her cry. Very sad that God or 'no God' has caused trouble again.

I told her that when she is older, she will decide what to believe and what not to believe; that all children make up their own minds as they become grownups, regardless of parents, friends, etc. Right now she should just be nice to everyone and if someone is mean to her, they don't like her. It is very hard with children-always told my own what I believed in, but always told them the same thing I told my granddaughter. To make their own decisions when they are old enough. Maybe I am misguided, but pushing beliefs of any type seems wrong to me.

A hub on what to tell children would be helpful.

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TahoeDoc Hub Author 16 months ago

Jillian, that is a great idea. My 5 year old went to a preschool in a Catholic Church. I will not shelter him from religion, because I know he's going to encounter it eventually.

Now he's in k-garten and making a bunch of friends and sure enough, just a couple nights ago as I thought he was almost asleep he said "Mommy is there God?". I told him that many people believe that there is. I said that there are many things about the world and the universe that nobody understands, but some people say "it's God". He seemed to understand. He asked me what I believed, and I said that I don't think it's god. He asked me if he could believe in God. I told him to believe whatever he wanted but that in time, he would learn more and understand better what he believed. We have that in common, don't we :)

I do think it's a great idea for a hub. I will work on that, thanks for the idea. I have already had discussions about death with him. It is easy for me to explain nature and that we are part of it. It is not easy to explain why other people say that their doggy went to heaven and ours are just dead. It does take sensitivity with children.

My most important point with him was that (especially at 5 years old) he should just be nice to everyone, that it's ok to have friends that think different things. We have that in common too. I just hope the religious parents can find it in their hearts to show the same grace and understanding, for the children's sake.

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TahoeDoc Hub Author 14 months ago

Saw Dan debate Dinesh D'Souza tonight at UCSD in a forum sponsored by conservative and christian groups (a little lopsided). Great, but that D'Souza dude would NOT stop talking. Talking louder, more and with insults does NOT help you prove your point. It makes it look like you are throwing up smoke-screens.

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Paladin_ Level 5 Commenter 6 months ago

Excellent hub, Tahoe! It seems clear to me that former believers make the strongest atheists, for they have a more comprehensive fundamental understanding of the issue. It's their struggle for the truth in the midst of all the nonsense that has brought them to where they are.

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TahoeDoc Hub Author 6 months ago

Some people just can't believe it when they really start to read and think and learn for themselves. Although, it seems, most people do continue to believe and are able to push any doubt out of their head. I find it fascinating- trying to figure out the characteristics of each group.

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Mmargie1966 Level 4 Commenter 4 weeks ago

I have always considered my religion, faith, and beliefs personal. I do believe in God and much of what the church teaches, but do not consider myself blinded. I am a free thinker and my relationship and belief in God is personal, private, and proven to me. I have been disappointed in the church. I have been disappointed in the Bible. I have never been disappointed in my relationship with my God.

I am curious why people believe the way they do. I won't be persuaded from my belief, and choose not to try to persuade others to agree with me. I have an open mind and ask questions of others which, in part, has brought me to the belief I have. My instincts and inner knowledge (for lack of words) have me contributed, as well.

It just fascinates me how people perceive the human race and anything beyond, whether it be God, Aliens, some other higher power, or nothingness other than what is on this earth. Just as Astrology (for understanding one's personality), and Psychology are topics of interest for me.

Thanks for the read, Doc.

Just my two cents...

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wayseeker Level 4 Commenter 3 weeks ago

TahoeDoc,

This was a very interesting read. While I have always believed in a God, I was much more of a universalist for much of my youth. I am now deeply Christian in the Evangelical Presbyterian Church. I have no doubt about my beliefs at this point in my life, but I find it quite enlightening and fascinating to learn about the way other people see the world--particularly because I have no illusions about being more knowing than anyone else.

I love engaging in deep analysis and thoughtful debate, and I am always thrilled to find folks with different perspectives that are willing to debate intelligently and respectfully. There are just too many folks who like to do nothing but throw rocks at the other side (on both sides of the discussion). I have no patience for this kind of attitude from anyone, regardless of their beliefs.

It's great to see a smart and honest presentation of atheism.

Thanks!

wayseeker

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TahoeDoc Hub Author 3 weeks ago

Thank you Wayseeker. You might find Carl Sagan's books interesting too then, if you haven't read them. The best on the subject is "Demon-Haunted World". You won't agree with his conclusions, necessarily, but I think you would find it thought-provoking, interesting and NOT abrasive.

I also get tired of all the insult-hurling. I do find more and more that being vilified due to being an atheist makes me angry and so I do understand on some level the emotions that lead to that behavior on both sides. I would have no problem with religion if people would not try to make me or my children live according to their premises. If you haven't seen my hub on children and religion, I wrote about a conversation I had with my 5 year old who was already told he was 'bad' by classmates for not going to church. As an adult non-believer, I know this only gets worse as you get older.

Live and let live (if you aren't hurting others or breaking laws)! And, I'm glad some religious people still agree!

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wayseeker Level 4 Commenter 3 weeks ago

Thanks so much for these recommendations. I'll look into them as I have time. Sadly, Christianity, as a social institution, is well known, both currently and throughout history, for being very abusive to non-believers (and often believers, too). If I truly intend to live as I believe Jesus would have me do, then I must be prepared to condemn such things wherever I see them--even if they occur within my own church or even myself.

Believe what makes sense to you, and be ready and open to learn about how others see the world.

Thanks again,

wayseeker

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